bkuehn1952 wrote:Anyone compare Arccos, GameGolf and the product offered by SkyGolf? If so, a few questions:
1. Do you need a smart phone with all of them?
2. Do they all have a sensor that goes into the club grip?
3. Do they all require one to "tap" or otherwise indicate a shot taken or can it figure it out by your body motion (or lack of motion)
4. Do you need to go in and edit anything (penalties, distance of putts, club used, etc...)
So I'll give you the GameGolf answers. Note I have GG Classic.
1) No, unless you want GameGolf live, which is their newest one and most comparable to Arccos. Note: GameGolf classic is USGA conforming and can be used in tournaments. GameGolf live and to my understanding Arccos are not allowed by the USGA. This is the reason I went with GameGolf classic.
2) Yes, its smaller than the Arccos sensor, and completely un-noticeable. The downside to it being more streamline is it can be a small pain to install/uninstall. It might take a pair of pliers (but it won't give you a black eye).
3) Yes and yes. It works better if you "tap" it. But it can determine a shot based on body motion (although this doesn't work well with putts). Also not tapping it requires a lot of work post round to edit. Tapping it becomes part of your pre-shot routine pretty quickly. Actually when I played 4 holes last tuesday with out GG I noticed myself still tapping the club to my hip.
It will record a shot for 1 swing every 30 seconds, to avoid recording practice swings. So if you tap it, take a couple practice swings then hit the ball it records 1 swing. Downside if you have a long wait and are trying to stay loose it may record extra swings that you'll need to delete post round.
4) Yes, the common things I edit are: Practice swings that are more than 30 seconds away from my normal swing. Putts being on the green or fringe. Penalties. Occasionally putt distance as there is no good way to record the pin placement. Never had to edit club used unless I forgot to tap it. Edit tee boxes I played. Post round editing usually takes me 5-10 min (not long enough to piss off my wife if I come straight home from the course and edit the data).
-USGA conforming and I can use it in tournaments (GG Classic).
-Cheaper (if you go with GG Classic).
-Tags are more streamline.
-No live data (I'm not wasting time on my phone during the round). To me this is a plus but might be a minus for others.
-Customer Service has always been great.
-No way to "tag" pin placement. The device has a gyroscope in it, so if you reach down to get your ball out of the hole it uses that bending over to determine pin placement. But then if you later reach down to pick up the flag stick, a towel, or an extra club it occasionally screws up the pin location.
-Strokes gained stat section wont allow you to drill in for more detail (although I've heard they are working on this, maybe in the spring release).
-Some courses aren't mapped that well. Example hole #2 on my home course, the "fairway" per GG map is about 30 yards left of the actual FW (and in the trees). So if I hit a drive in the FW it will show my drive as being 30 yards right of center. Personally I don't care too much, but it would be nice if they let you have a FW yes or no toggle like they have for greens. I've only seen this issue on 2 holes, and I asked the pro-shop and they said they re-routed those 2 holes about 3 years ago. So its probably just stale data (I've never emailed them about getting it re-mapped).
-The belt clip has some room for improvement. I do re-adjust it every hole or 2 as I feel like it could fall off (it never has). It just doesn't feel super secure (this may be a mental issue for me though). But it has never bothered me during a swing.
Minuses for other people:
-device "beeps" when you tag a club. To me I barely hear it, and have never had a playing partner notice it (or say anything about it). So I don't care.
Keep it short stupid.