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Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:17 am
by jasonfish11
So here is the official page for the "Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge" (pending better tournament name).

Winner will get a 1 of a kind (ok cheap crappy plastic) trophy sent to them mid March. The only stipulation is the winner must be willing to ship it to next years winner.

Rules.
- Net Score + feels like temp at tee off (in Fahrenheit) less 32.
- Winter Rules (lift, clean, place in fairway).


Also post what you feel the contest name should be (it will be on the trophy).

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:46 am
by jfurr
Contest runs through daylight savings time change? So, March 12th?

Are we going off handicaps? Net score.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:50 am
by jasonfish11
jfurr wrote:Contest runs through daylight savings time change? So, March 12th?
Sounds good
jfurr wrote: Are we going off handicaps? Net score.
I'm ok either way (given the prize isn't worth cheating over). What do others feel is better?

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:31 pm
by jasonfish11
Also I'm assuming that in true LB fashion no winter rules (play it as it lies).

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:47 pm
by Coda1850
I'll play. Really wasn't planning on getting much "winter golf" in this year but I may get out once or twice... we were planning on Friday but not sure with the weather - but if we do go... let it snow! & be fucking cold!!

Good idea.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:09 pm
by Duke of Hazards
The weather should be 'net' too ( temperature minus monthly historic average low).

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:19 pm
by jev
I'm game. And given I'm in Europe, I will use temperatures in degrees Celcius whereas you guys will have to use Fahrenheits :rofl

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:45 pm
by srogers13
i cannot wait to post my first round in 80* weather.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:24 pm
by legitimatebeef
Maybe it'd be a little more fun to set a baseline, a par if you will, of say 40º. Or how about 32º? In other words have the temperature "score" be relative to par 32º. I.e. if it's 32º out, you add zero to your score. But if it's 50º, you'd add 18. Let's say it's 25º, you'll subtract 7 from it.

If this makes little sense or is mathematically pointless I won't be surprised.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:04 pm
by DougE
My suggestions: Tee Off Temp and Finish Temp, using average, minus Wind average, (both verifiable on-line if there are questions ) + Net Score using USGA GHIN index as of last posting day allowed for season, factoring in course handicap for course played (course handicap). WInter rules accepted (roll it in the fairway if nec.)

Example: My GHIN was 8.3 at season's end (posting season) on November 14. So that is what I use all winter for this challenge. My course handicap for a 132 slope round at my course is 10. I play the white tees. (For Blue tees it's 11 @ 137 slope rating). I shoot a gross score of 80 on a day that averages 42 degrees during my round with wind averaging 15 mph. Score nets to 70 + 42 - 15 = 97.

Example 2: Yesterday, CeeBee actually recorded an 83 on a really cold and windy day. He finished his posting season at 7.0 handicap (on SG360). On the course and tees he played, the slope is 130. I'd estimate his course handicap is probably an 8 there. The temps were between 38 and 42 and the wind was ripping at an average of about 25. (It gusted near 50.) So, for him, I would estimate his day at 75 + 40 - 25 which equals a Frozen Balls Challenge score of 90. An excellent round in my book in those conditions.

Then there's srogers. I don't know his handicap, but let's assume he shoots a 72 net and plays in 80 degree weather (as he mentioned above) with a 3 mph average wind. That works out to about 149. Seems the southern boys won't have a chance against us up in cold country.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:55 am
by jasonfish11
DougE wrote:Seems the southern boys won't have a chance against us up in cold country.
I agree but it isn't like there is some awesome prize, just some bragging rights to easy the pain of living where it isn't shorts weather in January.

Also if he wants he can create a "sweaty balls contest" in August to deal with the humidity.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:11 am
by jasonfish11
bkuehn1952 wrote:I played 18 today at a local easy course. Shot 77. Figure my course handicap would be about 7. Starting temperature "feels like" 36 (no wind and actually 36). Ending temp was 38 and "feels like" 38.

74
So rules have been updated per the poll.

Brian's in the lead with a solid 74 (70+36-32).

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:12 am
by DougE
Gonna be tough to beat, even with an under par (net) round without playing in lower than 40 degree temps. I would have to net 66 on a day it's 40 degrees. Since I rarely play below 40 degrees if there is any substantial wind, and I have only shot 76 (net 66) once on my home course in friendlier conditions, I would say I don't have a prayer. Maybe CeeBee can do it, who is crazy enough to play in freezing temps, or possibly Gbogey, though I don't think he plans to play in the cold weather. Definitely not me. Just ain't gonna happen. (Plus, I am still out for at least another few weeks with my calf tendon tear.)

Jason, in Virginia Beach, I doubt you'll get too many opportunities to go low on less than 40 degree days and we have about the same handicap, though you will get some good breeze off the ocean for the "feels like" bonus. Congrats Brian. :clap: Looks like you already won this thing unless CeeBee can mount a charge.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:22 am
by jasonfish11
DougE wrote:
Jason, in Virginia Beach, I doubt you'll get too many opportunities to go low on less than 40 degree days and we have about the same handicap, though you will get some good breeze off the ocean for the "feels like" bonus. Congrats Brian. :clap: Looks like you already won this thing unless CeeBee can mount a charge.
Keep in mind it is "feels like" at tee off.

I tend to play in the morning, so teeing off at 32* and heating up to 45-50* is a potential (assuming no frost).

Actually I went to the range this morning in 32*. It was sunny with no wind. After about 5 min I took my jacket off. I had a long sleeve UA compression shirt and a polo shirt over that. I was really comfortable. Clothing is pretty impressive now-a-days. I felt like I could easily play down to 25* (assuming sun and no wind). Maybe my blood is getting thicker since moving from Florida.

But to be fair I think shooting in the mid/low 70's right now with my swing changes is a tough ask, let alone doing it in sub 40 temps. I see my handicap going up before it goes down.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:29 am
by bkuehn1952
I think we might need to tweak the scoring. The course I played had a rating of 65.8 Since the course handicap is based solely on the slope (116), the relatively easy course produces a low "net" score. Maybe add the differential of 72 minus the course rating. Someone playing a course with a rating of 73.0 subtracts 1. If I play a course rated 70.0, I add 2.

So my effort is 70+6+36-32 = 80

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:35 am
by jasonfish11
bkuehn1952 wrote:I think we might need to tweak the scoring. The course I played had a rating of 65.8 Since the course handicap is based solely on the slope (116), the relatively easy course produces a low "net" score. Maybe add the differential of 72 minus the course rating. Someone playing a course with a rating of 73.0 subtracts 1. If I play a course rated 70.0, I add 2.

So my effort is 70+6+36-32 = 80
I'm ok with this, but can we do par minus the course rating? I play one course that is par 70 (not sure if I will this winter, but it is in my "rota").

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:42 am
by bkuehn1952
jasonfish11 wrote:
bkuehn1952 wrote:I think we might need to tweak the scoring. The course I played had a rating of 65.8 Since the course handicap is based solely on the slope (116), the relatively easy course produces a low "net" score. Maybe add the differential of 72 minus the course rating. Someone playing a course with a rating of 73.0 subtracts 1. If I play a course rated 70.0, I add 2.

So my effort is 70+6+36-32 = 80
I'm ok with this, but can we do par minus the course rating? I play one course that is par 70 (not sure if I will this winter, but it is in my "rota").
Whatever everyone thinks is fair works for me. The course rated 65.8 is a par 70 track. So either "80" or "76" is okay.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:57 am
by srogers13
I wonder if I can find a pitch and putt course around here to give me a score that can compete with our 75*days?

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:03 am
by jasonfish11
Net score less rating plus feel like temp less 32? Need an excel sheet soon.

So BK 70-66+36-32 = 8

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:13 am
by legitimatebeef
srogers13 wrote:I wonder if I can find a pitch and putt course around here to give me a score that can compete with our 75*days?
Course must be at least 3000 yards/18 holes per USGA. So unless it's a pitch and putt with an average hole length of 167 yards you are out of luck. :school

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:54 pm
by srogers13
I wonder if I can get Kim Jong Il to keep score?

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:57 pm
by jasonfish11
srogers13 wrote:I wonder if I can get Kim Jong Il to keep score?
Ah just play golf in N. Korea, the ratings will take care of the rest. I'm sure the NKGA has labeled their courses as the hardest in the world. I'm sure a par 72 there would have a course rating of something like 105/235 for rating/slope.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:59 pm
by CeeBee
Tough to keep track of these rules for scoring What's it gonna be? No matter, I'm in. I'll be playing all winter.

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:41 pm
by jasonfish11
CeeBee wrote:Tough to keep track of these rules for scoring What's it gonna be? No matter, I'm in. I'll be playing all winter.

I'm good with anything. What makes sense so a par 68 doesn't cheat lol

Re: Legitimate Frozen Balls Challenge

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:16 pm
by sjduffers
I think we need to add (par - course rating), leaving the decimal point in course rating to allow for more differentiation (scores and course handicaps are in whole points), to account for easier/harder courses. The course handicap is only ok to compare scores on the same course, but to compare scores on different courses, the course rating matters, as BK showed earlier. This also takes into account a par 68 vs a par 72.