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Post by jasonfish11 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:28 pm

I'm starting to come to the conclusion my driver is very ill fit for my current swing. When I put what feels like a normal swing on the ball I get a nice consistent strike with a baby cut. But it launches at 8-10 degrees. When I want to launch the ball I really have a feeling of getting way behind the ball so I can hit way up on it. When I do this and time everything right I bomb a high drive launching it around 15 degrees. But it's super inconsistent, draws fades hooks and slices. After buying the launch monitor I'm not sure my wife will buy the fact I need a new driver lol. Maybe it will mysteriously break soon?
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Post by jasonfish11 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:45 am

So my last round I really tried to focus on moving the ball towards the target, and not on my golf swing. Things went well on the front 9. I had one mental flub on a chip, but got up & down on the next chip. I also didn't trust my read on the 3' putt on the 1st hole which lead to a 3 putt. 2 mental mistakes that probably cost me 1.5 shots (I assume my first chip which was harder wouldn't have lead to an auto up & down had I committed). So I could have been 1 or 2 over on the tougher 9 on the course.

Then on the back 9 I hit a couple squirrely shots with rounded clubs and suddenly went back to playing golf shot instead of golf. Specially with my woods. I was over swinging for some dumb reason trying to get some extra distance. My irons I was still hitting crisp and clean with an exception of 2 wedges that I bladed on #15 and #17. The ball was flying so damn far though. I had 97 yards into the last green slightly down wind (5-8 mph and the hardest it was blowing all day). I decided to hit a 90 yard LW figuring the wind would give me an extra 3-4 yards, I wanted to be short of the hole with an uphill putt. 90 yards is normally my max I feel comfortable with when hitting that club. I hit the shot I wanted thought it was perfect and 105 yards later I had a tricky down hill double breaking putt.

I've started realizing when I "over swing" the last part of the back swing things get super vertical. It probably looks like a reverse Jim Furyk loop. It prevents me from shallowing the club out and it causes me to come way over the top. At that point I do one of 3 things. Option 1 I come in 3" behind the ball, fat and ugly (or Rosanne Barr as I call it when I'm on Ambien). The 2nd and 3rd option are both results of my right elbow getting behind the seam in my shirt (ie stuck). I either flip everything over in a last ditch effort to save it and snap hook it, or I give up knowing I can't save it and hit the block slice. The really dumb thing is I can't rationalize my over swing. There is some subconscious belief that swinging the club further means I hit it further. On #16 (into the wind) and #18 (down wind) I hit ok but neither were perfect drives and both of them were over 250 yards. I made sure I kept my swing as short as possible on both of them to prevent the over swing I had on #12, #12 again, #12 a 3rd time, #14 and #15. Retraining my subconscious is really difficult. I know logically that when I do things correctly I get the most distance because it just allows my body to fire all it's force at the ball in a very controlled manner. But somewhere in my subconscious is a drunk John Daly that takes over. Does anyone know how to shut up drunk Johnny? Maybe order some hooters at the turn to distract him?
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Post by legitimatebeef » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:18 am

I have noticed in the past that distance is among your chief concerns. So I suspect that if you really want to rectify the overswing, you will have to address the cognitive impulses, both conscious and subconscious.
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Post by jasonfish11 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:31 am

Distance has always been my "ace in the hole" so to speak.

Also distance is probably the biggest thing that defines the ceiling in anyone's golfing ability. As well as the fact that distance is the hardest thing to lean in the game.

I'm not some crazy monster off the tee with distance to spare. So my quest for a better swing has always been with an unspoken clause of not losing too much distance.

Generally what I've noticed is that increasing the efficiency of my swing will result in longer shots. It makes it easier for my to "free wheel" it from the top of my back swing. Also it results in a more centered impact on the club face.

The issue I have is this is logical and makes sense when you have time to think about it. But I don't have that much time during the swing. So my inner John Daly comes out as that "short" of a swing doesn't intuitively seem like it will create power.
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Post by legitimatebeef » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:52 pm

Maybe force yourself to watch the swings of some real long distance/short swingers, like Tony Finau, JB Holmes. Clockwork Orange style. Also start playing at a retirement community. Shit like that.
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Post by jasonfish11 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:04 pm

I'm from Florida. I played at a retirement community for 25+ years lol.

But yeah I like watching John rhams swing for that reason. There are things I don't like about his swing but it's really short and he murders the ball.
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Post by jasonfish11 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:48 am

So on your advice I watched some John rham viedos noticed something I don't do (increase the angle between shaft and arms) in transition. I messed with this motion last night while keeping my right elbow in front of my body.

A couple things I noticed were its extremely repeatable. Also ball speed increased 4-5 mph and when I really go at one and catch it around 10 mph. Lastly it's a big draw/hook. I'm not a fan of that ball flight, but it was very consistent so I can work with it.

I'm still certain my driver isn't right for me. I was launching the ball around 10-11 degrees with 1800-2000 rpm. Great launch conditions for a 180+ mph ball speed. Not so much for 150-155 mph ball speed. I need 13-16 degrees and 2600-3000 rpm. Additional loft will help fix both of those. I may add some lead tape to the toe to see if it helps slow down the release, fixing the draw and probably increasing launch angle and spin a little (probably not enough though).


I'm going to the range this morning to try it out in real life.
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Post by DougE » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:34 am

Try moving the ball an inch or two forward in your stance for a touch more spin and potentially, a better launch angle. Just for shits and giggles and to see what happens. Don't change anything else.

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Post by jasonfish11 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:08 am

DougE wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:34 am
Try moving the ball an inch or two forward in your stance for a touch more spin and potentially, a better launch angle. Just for shits and giggles and to see what happens. Don't change anything else.
I already have it off my left heel. But I have tried it as far as left little toe. It was a higher launch but not more spin (just higher angle of attack). The down side is consistency went way down.
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Post by legitimatebeef » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:02 pm

Had never watched this guy in slo-mo. Super short. Shorter than I thought. Probably as short a backswing as humanly possible.

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Post by jasonfish11 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:44 pm

Wow his stance is open. It really looks like he's trying to just hit a big push there. I've never really looked at his swing, but it looks like he does that on every shot.

Here is rham, numerous things I don't like that I wouldn't apply to my swing. But very short as well.

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Post by GBOGEY » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:12 pm

How tall are you? These are two big guys. I was told once to pattern my swing after a pro who has similar physical build. Does that apply here?

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Post by jasonfish11 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:52 am

I'm 6'.

I'm not mimicking either of those swings, they both have numerous idiosyncrasies specific to them. I'm looking at their swings as motivation that a short swing can be powerful too.

Actually there is no one I'm trying to model my swing after to be honest. I tried that for a while, and didn't like the results. If I had to pick my favorite swing it's someone like minjee Lee, so-yeon Ryu or Adam Scott. But I don't think my swing will ever look like theirs and I'm cool with that.
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Post by GBOGEY » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:21 am

When I was taking lessons my instructor kept telling me to look how short JB Holmes' swing was - don't get much longer distance wise then him.

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Post by jasonfish11 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:44 am

yeah he is another example. He also has some quarkiness to his swing.

His lead elbow breaks down at the top of his swing. He takes the club back pretty flat letting his left arm roll over his right, then the last 1/4 to 1/5 of his back swing he stands the club up more vertical. Then in transition he reverses this move flattens it out and fires his hips. So he spends a good deal of effort getting that club on plane in the down swing.

Not that I wouldn't trade my swing for his and have his results. I would swap in a second. But again it's not really one that any teacher would try to emulate in a student.
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Post by jasonfish11 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:47 am

Other than looking at how many different ways there are to get the club head back to square and moving at a fast speed. I don't really watch too many videos.

I'm of the belief that if everyone on the planet played golf there would be 8 billion different "perfect" swings.

I really just focus on small things. So for me I know I've gone too far in my back swing when I stand the club up more vertically. Basically when my back swing gets too long I start looking MORE like JB Holmes. But I don't have the talent to recover from that position haha.
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