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Post by DougE » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:46 am

Don't we have an equipment thread here? I couldn't find it. In any case, here's my column for the week.

As some, or all, of you may have seen if you spent any time on MGS or WRX over the last week, Titleist has started Tour validation testing of their next generation of irons and hybrids, beginning at the US Open, with more this week at the Travelers Championship. There are already a few in play. As your resident Titleist representative and diehard loyalist, it pains me to say that I am UN-impressed! At least, so far. :bored

I knew through my contacts that the new irons were going to be announced about a month ago and also that the AP line of irons---the most successful in their history---would be getting a new nomenclature. I was excited to see what the replacements for the AP2 and AP3 lines would look like, with hopes for a better blended set than I have now, or possibly even a full set of the AP3 replacements, if it was a forged version. My AP2s are forged and I absolutely love their feel and control, but the AP3s are not, though I absolutely love their distance. So a newly named set that offered the forged feel and accuracy of the AP2 with the distance of the AP3 was going to be exactly what I was looking for. (No problem working either version left or right.)

What I did not consider, even for a moment, was that the look of the new irons would be anything less than beautiful. Boy, was I surprised when I saw the first pics of the T200 (and T300) series last week. Initially, I saw pics of the T100 which seemed very similar in look to the previous AP2 718, which I like very much. (The T100 replaces the AP2 going forward.) But, on Friday, I got my first glimpse of the new AP3 replacement, the T200. I took one look and said WTF?

Looks like something TM would do. Gimmicky. :fk

There is a sort of spent shell casing type stamp on the back of the club with "MaxImpact" in a circular design located near the center of gravity. I don't yet know the purpose, but it had better be there for some awesome reason or I will have a hard time bagging these clubs, as I had been planning to do. And interestingly, that stamping is only on the 4-7 irons. The short irons do not have it. They look much more appealing to my eye than the 4-7. Also, my hopes for a forged T-200 were also dashed. Nope. :nope

So now, I am waiting to hear about all the new technology in the new irons to help me get on board and then finally a fitting with Titleist. If in the end, they feel and perform better than the AP3s, I suppose I will put them in the bag. I just hope the bullet stamp will grow on me. On the other hand, I do like the look of the AP2 replacement, the T100. However, the whole point to move over to a complete set of T200s was for a little more forgiveness on off center strikes, something that happens a little more often as age creeps in.

And, by the way, the T300, the replacement for the AP1 (their game improvement iron) is butt-ugly IMO :puke . The AP1-718 was actually the nicest looking AP1 iteration they ever made. What happened?

I sure hope, after more info comes out on the technology of all the busy-ness on the backs of the T200 and T300, I will be able learn to love them too. For now I can only be cautiously optimistic that there is a good method to their madness.

Or maybe the problem is me. I just don't embrace sudden drastic change like the youngsters do. Yes, that must be it! These irons were designed for the new millennials. Not old traditionalists, like me. Guess I will have to get with it.

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Post by jasonfish11 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:18 am

26.46 - Current stock price of Acushnet. My expectations are for it to be down 5-10% at days end thanks to this post.

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Post by GBOGEY » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:22 am

I have to agree for Titleist those aren't the prettiest.

When do they release new wedges / when will the SM7 have a slight discount to clear them out - time for new wedges.

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Post by DougE » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:28 am

GBOGEY wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:22 am

When do they release new wedges / when will the SM7 have a slight discount to clear them out - time for new wedges.
Typically released for sale every two years, in shops in late winter. Last release was the SM7, March 8 2018. I would expect similar timing for the next iteration. I will also be curious to see how much influence Aaron Gill has on the new ones (Bob Vokey's mini me very experienced protege).

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Post by Duke of Hazards » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:17 pm

Yeah, they're not quite as nice looking, but I wasn't shocked or nothing. Like you said, Titleist has to move forward performance-wise or get left in the dust. Lots of manufacturers using weighted inserts now. I'm no TM guy, but I'd hesitate to call what TM and other manufacturers do 'gimmicky'. The marketing maybe (the bullshit buzzwords like 'MaxImpact' or 'Turbulators' do tend to annoy, I'd agree w/ you there), but all these companies are pushing against the restrictions/limits with some hardcore engineering.
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Post by jasonfish11 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:15 pm

jasonfish11 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:18 am
26.46 - Current stock price of Acushnet. My expectations are for it to be down 5-10% at days end thanks to this post.

Legal disclaimer: This post is in jest, don't take my investing advice seriously, I am down $250k and in last place in an investing game I'm currently playing this year.
So it looks like the day's high was 2 hours after Doug's post. It's been down hill since then. I assume based on this graph there was a spike in the viewership of this thread around the 2:30 time.
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Post by DougE » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:56 pm

Yep, that's the reason for the drop in stock price. No question. All me.

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Post by DougE » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:55 pm

Well, I have learned to accept the look of the new T200s. Actually, in person, they look a thousand percent better. I am still not a fan of the Max Impact stamp. The good news is, it is only on the 7-4 irons. It is not part of the wedge-8 iron back design, thankfully. In fact, the new T200 heads are smaller than the AP3s, surprisingly, with even a thinner topline. And actually quite appealing to my eye.

I'm scheduled for a Titleist Thursdays iron fitting tomorrow to test out the T100s and T200s, as well as the new TS hybrids and the new U-series utility irons. I will be comparing the T200 7-4 irons against my present 7-4 AP3s once the fitter finds me the best shaft. If the AP3s stand up to the T200s, I may keep the 4-7 AP3s and just switch out the bottom end of my irons with either T200s or T100s. I will also test the new Titleist U-500 utility iron as a possible replacement for my 4i. If the fitting goes well, I will likely order new short irons and quite possibly a full set from W-4i withing a few weeks, so I can get used to them this season. I also expect to replace my 818H1 19* hybrid soon too. Gonna be an expensive fall season this year.

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Post by legitimatebeef » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:50 pm

I should buy some shares of GOLF right now, before Doug gets in on the action.
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Post by DougE » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:36 pm

Just got fit. Man I suck when I need to perform for the launch monitor. I am far better on a golf course. Either way, I identified some swing flaws, which I need to fix. Now! Actually, the launch monitor identified them. I thought my swing was perfectly fine beforehand.

The Titleist T200s will be in my bag soon though. Specs virtually same as before, except fitter suggested I try +1/2" length, standard lie (which is a change from my previous 1 degree up lie.) AMT Black stiff and regular had similar results, but decided on R, since I ain't getting any younger.

I have to admit, the T-200s look fantastic in person. Far better than the pics. Really nice compact profile at address and the topline is very thin. As thin or even thinner than my AP2s. So, I have no complaints on the looks of them, particularly in the shorter irons.

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Post by GBOGEY » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:42 pm

why the +1/2" in length? Does that make sense?

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Post by DougE » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:01 pm

I hit both standard and half inch longer and my numbers were slightly better with longer. Not necessarily my distance numbers. My ideal path numbers. I'm not sure I'll add the extra 1/2 inch yet. I want to get some coaching first before I order. Need to get shallower. I was very shallow last year, drawing the ball even too much at times, but something has changed. Could it be my sore back? My tendinitis? Who knows. So back to the drawing board, I guess. This is why I don't like launch monitors. They make me think too much and second guess what I feel. I like to play simply by feel and by what I see the ball actually do in real life.

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Post by Duke of Hazards » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:55 pm

Excited for you Doug. When do you get to put them in play?
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Post by DougE » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:17 am

The quick answer:
Probably within a week of ordering them. I just want to work a few swing issues out before I decide on standard length or +1/2.

Plus, the typical DougE, long-winded answer:
I'm also not sure what to do about my 4 iron. I had wanted to spend time trying TS3 Hybrid vs. T200 4 iron vs. the new U•510 Power Utility 4 iron, but ran out of time. Had a free hour (which was supposed to be only 45 minutes) with fitter.

Just as well. No need to decide now anyway. I'll get the new T200s, W thru 5 iron, and keep my AP3 4 iron in the bag for now. It was set up differently than the rest of my AP3s anyway, with a Kuro Kage TiNi 85 graphite shaft in it. Over the off season, I'll try the other options and pick the best one for my game in the spring. I'll need to pay off the irons in the meantime anyway. Those suckers are expensive. Ouch!

I've developed a good relationship with the newest pro at my club, who is bringing more Titleist stuff into the shop this year. He's going to sell the T200s to me at well below retail, but still likely over $1K for the set of 7 irons. He's got to make at least some money. Looks like they will retail for $175 per iron.

I'll have 0% financing on the irons, but will need to clear the balance up quickly. The new SM8 wedges should be coming out in March! I'm in dire need. My SM7s are pretty worn out.

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Post by Duke of Hazards » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:54 pm

That's great. I'll expect the full length review soon.
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